#410 Sande Golgart: Climbing the Wrong Mountain — Part Two
After decades of chasing external wins, Sande Golgart decided to stop running. In Part Two, he shares the uncomfortable, intentional work of stepping back—what it took to unplug from achievement addiction and start redesigning a life that fits from the inside out.This isn’t a story about reinvention through ambition. It’s a blueprint for growth through subtraction: less noise, more clarity; fewer roles, deeper connection; no hustle, just truth. From mending his marriage to redefining success, Sande opens up about what he calls “Life Peels”—and why letting go is the new way up.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Listening Over Learning“I wasn’t trying to fix anything. I just got quiet and listened.”**Sande explains how stepping back from self-optimization gave him the clarity he had missed for years.The Life Peels Method“David was always in the marble. Michelangelo just removed what wasn’t him.”**He introduces his philosophy of growth by subtraction—peeling away the excess to uncover what truly fits.When Growth Isn’t More“I’ve had enough of strategy decks and hero stories. I want to feel ease in my own skin.”**Why he redefined ambition not as stacking wins but as feeling aligned, grounded, and whole.Relearning Partnership“When the noise died down, we both realized we’d never had stillness before.”**How the transition to an empty nest revealed unspoken gaps in his marriage—and led to new connection.Letting Life Lead“I used to control everything. Now I just pay attention—and things unfold better than I planned.”**What happened when he stopped pushing for outcomes and started trusting the process._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sande Golgart
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#409 Sande Golgart: Climbing the Wrong Mountain — Part One
Before he became a coach and founder, Sande Golgart was addicted to acceleration. He said yes to every challenge, thrived in high-stakes boardrooms, and made a name for himself as a relentless performer. But behind the energy and accolades, something didn’t sit right.In Part One, Sande retraces his early life as a dunk contest champion, his rise through the corporate ranks, and the moment he realized the game he was winning wasn’t one he wanted to keep playing. What started as hustle became habit. What looked like progress felt like pressure. And what came next was a reckoning.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Playing to Win—Even in a Suit“I approached sales the same way I approached dunk contests: high energy, no fear, go all in.”How a competitive spirit helped Sande rise fast—but also masked the cost.Yes Man Syndrome“I never said no. I didn’t even know what no sounded like.”Why overcommitment isn’t ambition—it’s avoidance in disguise.Movement as a Mask“As long as I kept moving, I didn’t have to think. Stillness scared the hell out of me.”When action becomes a coping mechanism, not a strategy.The Wrong Summit“You keep pushing for the top, then get there and realize… it’s not your mountain.”Sande explains the disorienting moment that sparked his pivot.Forgotten Self“I knew my job title. I knew my revenue targets. But I couldn’t tell you what I liked.”How busyness blurred his sense of identity—and what came next._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sande Golgart
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#408 Jodi Silverman: When the Kids Grow Up, But You’re Just Getting Started — Part Two
Jodi Silverman never expected reinvention to arrive between carpools and client meetings. But once her kids left and the hustle paused, she realized success had masked something deeper: restlessness. In Part 2, Jodi shares the emotional (and practical) shift from parenting full-time to rediscovering your own interests. She walks us through her signature DARE Method and dishes out real talk on marriage, identity, and why your kids aren’t your best friends (even if you really, really like them).This isn’t just an episode about empty nests. It’s about refilling your own life—on your own terms.Key Highlights of Our Interview:“You’re always their mom—but not always their problem-solver.”Letting go means shifting from fixer to coach, giving your adult kids space—and yourself permission to grow.Best Friend? Nope. Mom Forever.“They have friends. What they need is a parent who actually knows when to walk away.”Jodi explains why clinging to closeness can backfire—and how healthy detachment brings deeper connection.The Real Empty Nest Challenges“It’s not just missing them. It’s not knowing who you are without them.”It’s not about quiet halls—it’s about a loud identity crisis. Jodi breaks down the emotional vacuum no one warns you about.The DARE Method“Decide. Awaken. Reimagine. Experience.”Jodi’s four-step formula to reclaim your identity—starting with a brain dump, not a five-year plan.Rediscovering You“What did you used to like—before you were someone’s plus one?”She urges listeners to list lost joys, try without judgment, and welcome failure as a doorway to rediscovery.Day Swaps, Not Date Nights“Plan a day around what lights them up. You’ll learn more than any heart-to-heart.”From partners to adult children, this method rebuilds connection through shared experiences and mutual curiosity._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jodi Silverman
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#407 Jodi Silverman: When the Kids Grow Up, But You’re Just Getting Started — Part One
Jodi Silverman never expected reinvention to arrive between carpools and client meetings. But once her kids left and the hustle paused, she realized success had masked something deeper: restlessness. In this episode, Jodi shares how she walked away from a print business, wrestled with guilt, and built Moms Who Dare—a movement for women redefining purpose in the second half of life. This isn’t about motherhood or milestones. It’s about refusing to shrink when your old identity no longer fits.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Accidental Entrepreneur“I had no business background. I didn’t even know what the word ‘entrepreneur’ meant.”What started as a favor to a friend turned into Jodi’s first business—and taught her that grit beats a business plan.The Silent Shock of an Empty Nest“Suddenly, I had all this time. And I didn’t know who I was without the doing.”With her kids grown, the quiet forced Jodi to confront the identity she had deferred for years.The Dare That Sparked a Movement“I dared myself to figure out what I wanted. And I didn’t stop until I did.”The origin story of Moms Who Dare wasn’t about strategy—it was about survival and self-permission.From Guilt to Growth“I felt guilty for wanting something more. But I also knew: guilt doesn’t mean you’re wrong.”Jodi confronts the emotional friction of wanting purpose beyond parenting—and what it took to say it out loud.Midlife Isn’t a Crisis—It’s a Crossroads“This stage of life? It’s not the end of the story. It’s the best chapter if you let it be.”Redefining the narrative around aging, purpose, and starting over—without the clichés._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jodi Silverman
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#406 Richard Carson: Diagnosing Dysfunction, One Broken System at a Time — Part Two
Before Richard Carson wrote The Book of Change, he was writing letters to newspaper editors and fixing chaos in city hall. In Part 2, we unpack how Richard’s 39-step framework came to life—from a career shaped by failures to a model refined by fieldwork. Richard explains why he borrowed diagnostic tools from medicine, how COVID and AI are reshaping his thinking, and what consultants often forget: you’re not there to impress, you’re there to listen. It’s a masterclass in what it really takes to move people—and systems—without losing your common sense.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Model That Stuck“Every step in the 39 comes from something that broke.”Richard’s framework isn’t theoretical—it’s field-tested.You’re Not a Consultant. You’re a Doctor.“I borrowed from the NIH diagnostic model.”Why organizational dysfunction is more like illness than inefficiency.Don’t Skip the Kickoff“You don’t send an email. You sit down, answer questions, get buy-in.”The part of change most leaders rush—and shouldn’t.AI Isn’t a Leader“You can’t automate trust. You can’t outsource belief.”His biggest concern about the rise of artificial intelligence.How Change Shows Up at Home“I told my boss I was going back to school. He said no. I quit.”Why he applies his own model to life, not just work.Listen Like It Matters“I don’t need your advice—I need you to hear me.”The line from his wife that became a leadership principle._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Richard H. Carson
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